Talk:2024 Mexican general election

with the remaining 200 [deputies] elected in a single nationwide constituency

That's what the source says. But that contradicts Electoral regions of Mexico ("Mexico is split into 5 separate regions. Each of the five regions sends 40 deputies..."). Is the source wrong, or is this a change for the 2024 election? Moscow Mule (talk) 23:59, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

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Candidates included in the infobox

It is the norm in Wikipedia for infoboxed to only include candidates polling over 5%. Wikipedia:Five percent rule Smartypants2006 (talk) 16:50, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

Gabriel Quadri de la Torre isn’t included in the 2012 election infobox.

Smartypants2006 (talk) 16:51, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

AFAIK, the polling rule is only applicable to American elections. The 5% rule only applies elsewhere for the actual results. Cheers, Number 57 20:17, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm with Number 57. The term "polling" is ambiguous, but I read most of those references to actual counted votes the day after the election, not pre-election day voting intention polls. And WP:5%R is all very heavily tilted towards U.S. elections, with references to "third-party candidates" upsetting the duopoly, when this election, like so many others in Latin America, will be lucky to keep it down to four.

This is all about Verástegui, of course. If he gets the signatures, he'll be in the debates alongside the others, just like Zavala and Bronco were last time. I think WP:NPOV requires that he be included in the infobox, at least at this stage in the process. Moscow Mule (talk) 23:02, 8 September 2023 (UTC)

But after learning that he's only one of 27, I'm not so sure. Maybe it'd be better to wait until he, or any of the other 26 (!), receives the Constancia de Registro como Candidata o Candidato Independiente from the INE. Moscow Mule (talk) 00:31, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

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Xóchitl Gálvez's party

I'm asking this here because this page gets more traffic, and because the answer will affects this one too.

So: what's the deal with Xóchitl Gálvez's party affiliation? Her page says she switched to the PRD (in order to give it enough seats to warrant inclusion on a committee) in 2021… but her page on the Spanish Wikipedia lists her as independent, while also saying that she didn't actually switch to the PRD, since Morena bowed to pressure and gave the party the representation anyway. Confusingly, this doesn't appear to be backed up by the citation, though I did find an article (1) that says she didn't go through with the floor-crossing (though no reason is given?). The senate website lists Galvez as PAN (2), though it's not clear if she was always PAN or if she changed back.

I can't read Spanish, and have been relying on machine translation, so finding clarification on this is difficult. — Kawnhr (talk) 00:03, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

The current English article on Xóchitl Gálvez's party affiliation is incorrect. Throughout her career, she has never been a registered member of any political party, though she has caucused with the National Action Party (PAN) in the Senate. When she was elected mayor of Miguel Hidalgo in 2015 and subsequently senator in 2018, she ran as a representative of the PAN for mayor and a representative of the "Por México al Frente" alliance for senator, with her name appearing on the ballot next to the party logos.

In 2021, because the PRD did not have enough members to gain representation on the Senate Permanent Committee, she planned on caucusing with the PRD, instead of the PAN, so that Morena wouldn't have a supermajority. Ultimately, the decision was made to allow the PRD to have a place on the committee, negating the need for Gálvez to switch which party she would caucus with. At no point did she plan on registering as a member of any of these parties, which I believe is where all this confusion stems from. The Senate website lists her as a member of the PAN's caucus, which she had been a member of since 2018.

Last week, she had to ask the Senate for permission to resign from her position as Senator in order to run for president next year. This is something all incumbents in Mexico must do due to the conflict of interest that would arise if they remained in office. Claudia Sheinbaum also resigned as Head of Government of Mexico City last June, as did Samuel García as Governor of Nuevo León last week.

A debate is also currently taking place in the talk section of the Spanish version of the article on the 2024 election. The current suggestion is that Gálvez be referred to as an external candidate in the infobox, rather than an independent, though a final decision has not yet been made. I believe the best course of action would be to wait for a consensus to be reached in the Spanish article, since it is the most spoken language in Mexico, and to follow that same decision in the English article.

To clarify, I am Mexican and can speak both Spanish and English fluently, without having to rely on machine translations. Asuka Langley Shikinami (talk) 01:51, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@Asuka Langley Shikinami: Thanks for the explanation! I see you've fixed Galvez's page too, which is appreciated. — Kawnhr (talk) 18:23, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

This question has cropped up again over the past few weeks. The edit summaries refer to the coalition document, which is here. Page 23 states: Para la elección de la candidatura a la Presidencia de la República, las partes acuerdan que el origen partidario de la candidatura será el Partido Acción Nacional. She might be the PAN's external candidate (similar to Meade running for the PRI last time) but she's not an independent (as Rodríguez Calderón was in 2018). Moscow Mule (talk) 20:54, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

This makes sense to me, so I just reverted an edit that listed Galvez as independent again. But since this is a regular point of contention, it would be a good idea to spell this out in the body. Is there any non-primary source we can use that says Galvez is running on the PAN line? — Kawnhr (talk) 17:37, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

I've found a variety of sources that state that she is running as the PAN's candidate (at the time, that she registered as a precandidate for the PAN), with the sources quoting her in a speech. [1] The source is in Spanish, but she is quoted saying, “Me siento honrada y contenta de ser la precandidata del PAN.” (“I feel honored and happy to be the precandidate for the PAN.”). Also clarifying that I am fluent in both English and Spanish. EchoLuminary (talk) 15:08, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

This is good. Thanks! — Kawnhr (talk) 21:55, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Will just leave this here for reference, the strongest piece of evidence is that Galvez used the PAN's backing to obtain the nomination, with the PAN considering her as one of their own candidates during the internal selection process. This means, drawing from the conclusion from the Spanish talk page, that Galvez is the PAN's external candidate (the PAN backed her even though she is not part of the party). The coalition document does state that the presidential nominee must originate from the PAN, which Galvez as an external candidate still satisfies, as she was sponsered by the PAN to be there.

For now, I added a note to the infobox that uses this logic to justify the PAN label. EchoLuminary (talk) 00:27, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

The coalition document does state that the presidential nominee must originate from the PAN. Just curious: does that mean that if the coalition had nominated a PRI candidate, that candidate would still have been registered with the INE under the PAN line? — Kawnhr (talk) 00:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Looked into when it was written: the coalition agreement was registered in November 2023, meaning that it was written after Gálvez became the nominee (by 31 August, she was the nominee). The specification that the nominee is of PAN origin seems to have been written with Galvez in mind, which confirms that the parties view her as a PAN candidate, even if she considers herself non-affiliated. The line would have probably changed if it was a PRI or PRD member. EchoLuminary (talk) 02:18, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Article split

Should this article be split into a 2024 Mexican presidential election article? This article mainly covers the presidential election even though there are other types of elections (Chamber of Deputies, Senate, and local elections). I feel that there should be an article that leads to the different elections, much like the 2020 United States elections article or how the Spanish wikipedia organizes Mexican election articles. EchoLuminary (talk) 17:26, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

Personally it’s not too big yet for a split and the prior elections didn’t seem to need one. Borgenland (talk) 17:41, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

It depends how crazy things get when the results start coming in on Sun/Mon (perhaps not very much: I note no one has taken the plunge with 2024 Mexican Chamber of Deputies election yet; maybe because it's far too daunting). But this article is about the presidential election; I'd only suggest that if it becomes necessary, this one be moved to 2024 Mexican presidential election, to preserve the last year or so of edits. Moscow Mule (talk) 07:26, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Results

Why aren’t the numbers appearing in the results box? Borgenland (talk) 05:18, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Fixed! Was because the infobox had the ongoing parameter set to yes. EchoLuminary (talk) 07:36, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

International Reactions section?

After Xiomara Castro (President of Guatemala) sent her congratulations early to Claudia Sheinbaum i would figure there would be much more people that will send their regards in the coming hours. Would it be necessary to create a section for international reactions? Mochatbh (talk) 05:40, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Priority should be given to major powers and neighbors. On another note, it's Honduras though but it's near enough Borgenland (talk) 06:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

done! try adding some once they start pouring in. be much appreciated Mochatbh (talk) 06:37, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Jewish mention in lede

@Esterau16 and Aréat:, can we get a discussion started here, instead of just reverting? David O. Johnson (talk) 19:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

Well, there was a deletion on the basis of "no source", I reverted because there's one. What do you wan't to discuss?--Aréat (talk) 19:31, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

My understanding is that "Jewish" refers to both ethnicity and religion. Sheinbaum is a secular Jew, though she is ethically Jewish.

The edit made here: [2] seems unnecessary. Thoughts? David O. Johnson (talk) 19:59, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree @David O. Johnson. I thought about reverting it, but figured I'd let this discussion thread play out first. Pecopteris (talk) 20:03, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

See this source for perspective: [3]. Borgenland (talk) 04:00, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

Re-election

"The members of the legislature elected on this date were the first allowed to run for re-election in subsequent elections" says the first para at the moment, with a {{cn}}.

That's not correct (even giving it the benefit of the doubt and reading it as "those who won last time were able to run again" and not "those elected this time will be able to run again next time"). There were scores of deputies re-elected in 2021 (e.g., Noroña in CDMX 4th). This was the first time senators elected the previous time were eligible to stand again. "Among the members of the legislature elected on this date were the first senators re-elected for consecutive terms since the 1930s" (the ban on re-election for these positions always has to be qualified with "consecutive", 'cos they'd happily spend a dozen years or more jumping from one chamber to the other; see Blas Chumacero) would be correct, but maybe such a minor factoid doesn't belong in the lede. See CNN, Forbes, INE.

TL;DR: Not true because there were re-elected deputies in 2021 (for want of a better example, Noroña). Moscow Mule (talk) 07:28, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

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Color of Xóchitl Gálvez in infobox

Should the color used for the party/alliance in Gálvez's section of the infobox be the PAN's blue or the the coalition's pink (coalition being Fuerza y Corazón por México)? EchoLuminary (talk) 17:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

error?

the 2nd paragraph says " Xóchitl Gálvez emerged as the frontrunner of Fuerza y Corazón por México following a surge in popularity due to criticisms from López Obrador." should that be 'criticisms of López Obrador." perhaps this was translated from spanish, and as we know, preposiciones son hijas de la chihuahua Potholehotline (talk) 02:46, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

No: the CNN article used as a ref there makes it clear that it was López Obrador attacking her in his daily Urbi et Orbies ("an extraordinary campaign by the Mexican president to undermine a leading opposition contender...", etc.). Moscow Mule (talk) 16:05, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Percentages at results tab are incorrect

The percentages at tthe header of the page for the candidates votes" is correct howoever the candidates results tab has an incorrect percentage MaxSnowDude (talk) 03:41, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, the issue here is that the official results (from the INE) count invalid votes as part of the total votes, while Wikipedia's election results template does not. I would prefer to use the INE's official results in the header, but doing that would cause a mismatch between the header and the elections results template in the Results section, which would be a discrepancy on the page.

(Unless there's a way to include invalid votes as part of the total votes in the election results template?) EchoLuminary (talk) 06:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)